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No. Item


Introductions and procedure


Councillor Flora Williamson welcomed everyone to the meeting and officers and members introduced themselves.  The procedure for the conduct of the meeting was outlined.


Apologies for absence




Declarations of substitute members


There were no declarations of substitute members.


Declarations of interest

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There were no declarations of interest.


Order of Business


The order of business would be as the agenda.


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That the minutes of the meeting held on17 January 2017 be confirmed as an accurate record of proceedings and the Chair be authorised to sign them.


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The licensing officer reported that the police conditions had been agreed and they had withdrawn their objection.  No planning consent had been granted for Sunday.


The licensing authority reported that noise conditions 15-22 on page 28 of the agenda had been agreed by the applicant.  They would not want the premises to be used as a bar or off licence but as a restaurant. If off sales of alcohol were required for delivery they suggested the deletion of proposed condition 14 and an amendment to condition 22 restricting the alcohol order to four 33 cl cans/beers or one 750ml bottle of wine.  The licensing authority raised concerns that delivery drivers would need to be trained in underage sales and proposed a further two conditions in relation to this. The licensing authority stated that if all measures were in place the application would be acceptable although they raised concerns that this was the first time of engagement by the applicant.


The noise officer stated that she had concerns about off sales and customers waiting to be served with drinks.  She stated that no off sales would be acceptable.


In response to questions it was noted that the applicant accepted all the conditions proposed and that there would be no vertical drinking in the premises.  It was accepted that the amended condition 22 did limit the amount of off sales. Regarding concerns about off sales it was stated that the onus was on the applicant to ensure that the delivery company trained staff on underage sales and this should be included in a service level agreement with the delivery company.


The applicant stated that the noise team had agreed the application with conditions.  The delivery company had informed the applicant that they would not deliver without an off sales licence. The applicant stated that once the driver had taken the alcohol it was their responsibility.  He operated another restaurant in Chiswick.  This was a small restaurant and he would like to sell alcohol to customers if a friend was having a meal.  The conditions proposed would not allow this and he stated that he may have to come back to Sub-Committee if this did not fit in with his business model. He stated that he accepted the conditions and would work with them. He stated that the business had been trading for over twenty years on a Sunday.  He had not yet had a response from Planning regarding the premises opening on a Sunday but he would get the situation rectified. 


In response to questions the applicant stated that it was up to the driver from the delivery company to ensure that they did not give alcohol to underage customers.  He worked with big companies and was sure that they did checks.  He had never had any problems.  The applicant was reminded by the Sub-Committee that it was his responsibility to check that the delivery company had good practices. He stated that where customers only wanted a drink but did not want  ...  view the full minutes text for item 148.


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The licensing officer reported that this was an application for late night refreshment rather than for the sale of alcohol as detailed in the report at paragraph 1.2.  He advised that additional papers were tabled which would be interleaved with the agenda papers.


The police stated that all conditions had been agreed with the applicant but he had not been agreeable to a reduction in hours.  The premises was in a cumulative impact zone and from statistics taken from one month there were 19 offences and only one of these had not taken place on a Thursday, Friday, Saturday or Sunday. These offences were related to alcohol and a late night venue would keep people in the area who had been drinking.  50% of criminal offences occurred after 3am.  They had asked the applicant to accept reduced hours and had allowed an extension to core hours based on his previous experience.  The police would want to see their proposed hours with the conditions proposed.


In response to questions it was noted that most offences took place between 2am and 5am and were mostly alcohol fuelled.  The sale of late night refreshment did not help as customers congregated in the area and the premises became a flashpoint.  Late night eating venues attracted people who had been out drinking. The police had brought crime data for the area but he was unable to say which venue any problems were attributed to.  There were other venues in the area with late hours but they were trying not to add to problems in the area by increasing the number of venues.  The police did not consider that the applicant, even with his experience, could manage the premises until 5am.  Unlike McDonalds this was a restaurant.  McDonalds had door staff and closed seating areas during late hours of operation in order that customers would not stay too long.  The police officer stated that he would not agree with a 5am hour as this would add to the cumulative impact.  He asked that if the Sub-Committee were minded to grant the licence until 5am that a condition regarding SIA door supervisors be considered.  He did not consider that door supervisors were required for the hours he recommended.


The licensing authority was supportive of the police representation and stated that where patrons had been to alcohol venues they then moved to late night refreshment premises.  The licensing policy set out clear core hours and the premises was in a cumulative impact area.  The onus was on the applicant to persuade the Sub-Committee why they should deviate from the policy, in this case by four or five hours.  He considered there was nothing exceptional to this premises.  Managing to a high standard was not considered exceptional and this was detailed in the licensing policy.  An increase in hours to 2am was recommended but not until 5am where patrons had another three hours to hang around and cause possible disorder.  Their recommendation was already an increase in licensing policy  ...  view the full minutes text for item 149.