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Introductions and procedure


Councillor Phil Graham welcomed everyone to the meeting and introduced officers and members.  The licensing officer introduced himself, the interested parties and the applicants. The procedure for the conduct of the meeting was outlined.


Apologies for absence


Apologies for absence were received from Councillor Vivien Cutler.


Declarations of substitute members


Councillor Spall substituted for Councillor Cutler.


Declarations of interest

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There were no declarations of interest.


Order of Business


The order of business would be as the agenda.


Minutes of Previous Meeting pdf icon PDF 83 KB




That the minutes of the meeting held on 18 June 2020 be confirmed as an accurate record of proceedings and the Chair be authorised to sign them.


Old Queens Head, 44 Essex Road, N1 8LN - Premises licence variation pdf icon PDF 11 MB


The licensing officer reported that an additional submission from the applicant had been circulated.


The local resident reported that they lived near the premises and there were a number of bars nearby that were open until 3am. The resident had been unable to sleep and this had been happening for several years. Customers made the most noise outside the Old Queens Head and he was concerned about the extra hour to serve alcohol on a Saturday evening and the extra half an hour in opening time. He could appreciate the reduction in hours during the week but stated that the premises was usually closed during that time anyway and the problems were much worse during the weekend. If the licence was granted, other local premises would also apply. He understood the Covid 19 revenue issues but stated that these times were a big issue for residents. He noted that it was stated that there had been no complaints but he had called the noise team several times at 3 or 4 am and these calls should be logged. An extension in hours would make the situation worse.


In response to questions, it was noted that he had complained to the anti-social behaviour team in summer 2019. He would have called them more often but there was a balance between trying to sleep and calling the noise team. Customers stayed outside until 3 or 4 am and now the time was being further extended. It was noted that in the case of The Winchester, local residents had lodged a review of the licence. The licensing officer confirmed that there was no record of the noise team writing to the premises formally since the last application and the resident confirmed that he was not aware of the submission of any formal complaints.


The applicant’s representative stated that the premises was facing insolvency and had made proposals that tailored this application for the cumulative impact area. All responsible authorities had been satisfied but he was aware that he needed to satisfy the Sub-Committee. The applicant was asking for an extra hour of trade on Saturday night, their best evening, and in return they were reducing the terminal hour by a total of three hours on Monday to Wednesday evenings, offering a net reduction in hours. In addition, they had also accepted additional police conditions.  The responsible authorities had not objected and the noise team had previously made suggestions which had been taken on board. They had also traded for the extra hour on four occasions in the past 18 months and there had been no complaints. This was not the same type of premises as the Winchester. It was a more peaceful demographic and there had been no complaints.  Exit procedures were well controlled and senior management were present. There had been one resident complaint against this application and the licensee would be happy to work with him. There was no supportive evidence of issues. The representation made by Councillor Klute was based  ...  view the full minutes text for item 173.


Hermil Island Lounge, 230 Hornsey Road, N7 7LL - New premises licence pdf icon PDF 5 MB


The licensing officer introduced the applicant, his representative and a local resident who was speaking on behalf of interested parties who lived near the premises. It was noted that additional submissions from one of the objectors and a further submission from the applicant’s representative in response had been circulated.


The interested party stated that some objectors had been residents in the area for 20 years and one for over 50 years and they had seen the decline in the area with the increase in licensed premises. Regarding the licensing objective for the prevention of public nuisance, it was stated that numerous calls had been made to the noise team and they were on record.  These included one about a contractor operating an angle grinder late in the evening. It was stated that patrons from the applicant’s other venue across the road would loiter outside, late into the night, shouting and slamming doors. Mini cabs and private vehicles would be attending day and night.  There had been a recent altercation outside the premises which had been dismissed by the applicant. The atmosphere was intolerable for females. Smokers were outside at all hours. There would be predictable results by moving the smokers to the rear of the premises in a residential area. Males outside other premises were seen spitting, holding drinking games and littering. A change in the name of this premises would not improve matters. Assurances that music noise would not escape from the premises were not believed. There were already a large number of licensed premises in the area and another grant of a licence was one too many. An additional bar would attract unsavoury customers. The flow of traffic was constant and parking inconsiderate.  He did not consider that the applicant was a pillar of the community as had been reported by his representative. He had been a Director of at least two dissolved companies and he considered that he had not passed the fit and proper person test. The invitations to meet the applicant had not been received or had been received too late to attend. He urged the Sub-Committee to refuse the application on the grounds of preventing public nuisance and on public safety. He considered that the area had already reached breaking point.


In response to questions, the licensing officer reported that there had been no complaints about the premises. The premises was not yet open and had not been operated as it was unlicensed. The invite to objectors from the applicant had been sent with the notice of hearing. The licensee managed a premises across the road.


The applicant’s representative stated that they had consulted pre-application stage and had heard nothing from residents. As soon as objections had been received a response was sent, covering all concerns and all were invited to the venue to meet the owner yet no objector had turned up. The previous licensee had ceased trading one year previously. There had been no construction using an angle grinder at this premises  ...  view the full minutes text for item 174.